I figure I haven’t posted anything here in a while, and I like watching liberal’s heads explode. So, I thought I’d post this and another one.
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NewsWithViews calls this Insanity. I call it sweet justice:
SYRACUSE, N.Y. — A 15-year-old Syracuse boy will spend the next two to six years in juvenile detention and the rest of his life as a felon as a result of his sentencing today for a robbery that netted him and an accomplice seven cents.
Onondaga County Judge William Walsh rejected a defense lawyer’s request to treat Anthony Stewart, of West Onondaga Street, as a youthful offender. That means his felony conviction will remain on his permanent record.
Walsh said he might have ruled differently if Stewart had pleaded guilty, as did his accomplice, Skyler Ninham, 16. Earlier this month Walsh sentenced Ninham as a youthful offender to one and one-third to four years in state prison. Stewart, who is not old enough for prison, will be sent to a juvenile detention facility.
Both Ninham and the 73-year-old robbery victim identified Stewart as a participant in the crime, Walsh said. “And yet you still denied it,” Walsh said to Stewart. “Well, that cost you.”
via Syracuse 15-year-old gets two to six years for 7-cent robbery | syracuse.com.
Here is the part that NewsWithViews most likely did not read:
Stewart was convicted by a jury of first-degree robbery in July, two days before Ninham pleaded guilty. According to prosecutors, Stewart and Ninham ran up behind the victim Dec. 22 and knocked him to the ground. Ninham kicked the victim and Stewart punched him in the face, breaking his glasses, before the victim handed over the seven cents in his pocket, prosecutors said. The two teens had handguns, which Stewart later said were BB guns, prosecutors said.
Little punk thug won’t be robbing nobody else! I wonder where his parents are? Where’s his Daddy? Even he even has one. Just another shining example of how the black community is raising their children. Maybe someone should show this to this idiot here.
Cross-posted from Political Byline
My question to you is when young white boys are shooting folks in cafeterias and malls….where are their parents and where are their Fathers and is that also an indication of how the white suburban community is rearing their children!
I can tolerate political differences but not the outright racist kind of crap like you’ve dumped on this site!
Percentage wise – which community (white, asian, black or hispanic) is best at raising children? Which community is best at keeping the families intact? That’s a pretty good question, right? I mean, we need to figure out which cultures work and which does not…
I’ve been thinking along this line lately, myself. Yeah, I agree with HA on this one. There seems to be something fundamentally rotten in Black culture.
Well…I’ll just make some popcorn and pull up a chair now…
There are aspects of every culture that are in want. We have to look at statistics in a more holistic sense, and even then, do they really indicate a problem with culture or with individuals? Raising a child who commits a 7 cent crime is no less an indication of something awry in one’s culture as raising a child who annihilates entire cultures in the name of manifest destiny, build concentration camps and gas people because of a religious difference, and rape entire continents of natural resources then set up shop and make people second class citizens in their country of birth (think India, South Africa, the Americas, Australia, etc.). People who look like this child did not commit those heinous acts in history. Therefore people of color could, in their minds, justifiably say there is something wrong with white culture because everywhere you find colonialism, cultural mythologies, and institutional racism, there they are. That argument is just as racist as this post. Those of us who have sense know that evil has no face or race, so why blame white culture in its entirety for some bad apples? And if we should not do that, then we cannot support your argument. For the record, I’d rather be robbed of 7 cents than robbed of my country then told I need a green card to stay in it because my ancestors’ borders have been pushed below Texas.
Okay, my ancestors were robbed of their land and were considered illegal immigrants in their own country also. However, “everybody else is doing it” is a piss poor excuse.
I don’t know if this was in response to my comment or not, but if so, you did not read me in context. My argument is we cannot blame entire cultures for something that is indicative of the human condition. This young man did not do what he did because there is something wrong with black culture, but because there is something wrong with HIM.
“My argument is we cannot blame entire cultures for something that is indicative of the human condition. ”
Doesn’t culture influence human condition?
What are we arguing here? That the Human chicken preceded the cultural egg, or vice versa?
You are trying to ignore the truth because it hurts. It’s understandable. Some cultures are better than others. Cultures evolve. Things change. If you are not willing to consider emulating successful behavior – you will be stuck in the mud, like most of the world is. And it’s your fault.
H-A, WHAT cultures are better than others, may I ask? Which culture has exhibited such successful behavior that Black people need to emulate? These are rhetorical questions because you can’t possibly be talking about White people. You can’t possibly think that Black people need to mark and model our lives after white people, in general.
Before you do answer, if you will, please make sure you are adept at world history, and not the versions that were skewed in typical old-school textbooks. Additionally, you’d do well to do some deep sea diving into FACTS about Black people in America. For your information, Unhyphenated-American isn’t stuck in the mud at all. She’s a department chair-not just a faculty member-at an American university, and I don’t have time to type the rest of her resume. When she leaves this earth, there’ll be more than a song sung and five family members dressed in black waving fans. It helps to know who you are talking to;
Please know that I have no intentions of denigrating anyone. But, you are right. It is quite difficult for people to digest the truth when they disassociate themselves from reality and look at the rest of the world through the muddled lenses of their own minds.
This is going to be interesting.
Mulloverthis, you got it!
*Applause* and bravo for committing three logical fallacies in six sentences.
I wish I were superior enough to do so!
“three logical fallacies in six sentences.”
I have serious doubts you can find even one logical fallacy in my 6 sentences. But you can give it a try. Are you up to the task?
We can judge cultures, but we should not judge races. But on a more serious note – I’ve seen a lot of stuff being said about Tea Party (jihadists, terrorists, taliban) and I still remember how the Duke Lacrosse Team was treated in the media. So, why should I care about the language?
So, why should I care about the language?
Because you’re better than those folks you referenced?
This is H-A’s favorite defense – “They do it too!”
What’s Russian for “Two wrongs don’t make a right”?
Некультурный?
But in Latin it’s tu quoque.
What’s Russian for “Two wrongs don’t make a right”?
Amazingly, there is no Russian equivalent for this saying. It’s a cultural thing, I guess.
Anything similar? How about “because I said so, that’s why” or “if all the kids jumped off a cliff would you want to do that too?” Please put it in English, if this is the case.
This 17 y/o killed his mother and shot his father. I guess this is just, how did you put it? “Just another shining example of how the white community is raising their children.” (There are scads of these to choose from. Just picked the first one I saw.)
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/boy_killed_mom_and_shot_dad_ov.html
Steve
The kid’s an orphan. Show some mercy.
Kim, why show mercy because he’s an orphan?
Where’s this kid’s momma?
Where’s the baby’s daddy?
Where is the rest of people within his racial community to raise him?
Circumstances, huh? Where is the innate concern for mercy for this 15-yr old and what his parental upbringing, or lack thereof, is? The 73 year old is not dead, unlike the mother of the 17 year old murderer.
There are TOO many black families where grandparents and extended relatives raise orphaned children, successfully. Should I assume there is something fundamentally rotten in White culture? Lest I be ignorant and live comfortably with a double-standard, I will stop right here.
BTW, just about every violent criminal has a story. Most times, they do not defray the danger that the rest of us face if we show mercy to someone with a criminal mind.
I assume he is referring to an old joke. Too bad some folks have no sense of humor.
Don’t see why you’re so sure our head were going to explode, Patrick – I’m okay with the sentence this kid got.
Agreed. The story emphasizes the part about 7 cents, but when you read the whole thing, they beat up the guy too. If the headline read 2-6 years in jail for beating a 73 y/o no one would bat an eye. This is clearly written with a POV. It is guaranteed to bring the racists out.
Steve
This headline is the definition of sensationalist race-baiting. And it worked.
Actually, my closest black friends at Stanford had very involved fathers. And I haven’t seen this whole disintegrating family thing among the black people I’ve encountered as fellow computer professionals. And Vanessa Williams’ parents are schoolteachers who raised both their kids well and who stayed married till the day her father died. It seems to me that most of the black people I’ve actually known in real life bear no resemblance to this post.
Seems to me, this is the problem I have with the post. There are certain black people who live in a really crappy culture that denigrates education, glorifies crime and violence, etc., etc.
But you know what? There are certain white people who live in that same kind of culture. Maybe proportionally less, but that culture does exist; I’ve seen it with my own two eyes.
What makes your post racist isn’t the fact that you’re pointing out that this kid was raised in a very bad culture and is acting accordingly. What makes it racist is that you state that everyone with the same skin color shares the same culture and imply that the culture is the result of the race.
Just to be clear, I’m referring to Patrick’s post as racist, not yours, Lynn.
I know, I’ve been comparing the Black inner city culture with the white redneck culture. Both glorify ignorance and violence. Perhaps because of their value to the Republicans, their violence can be directed at others- Gooks, Slopes, Ayrabs, whoever the boogeyman du jour is. As far as ignorance, the only Republican candidate who admits to believing in evolution is Huntsman. I don’t know how long he will keep this view. He already dumped AGW, so I figure this is next.
Black inner city is solidly pro-Democrat. And because of its value to the Democrats, the violence in the inner city is indeed directed at “others” – Asians, Whites, successful Blacks.
This is some pretty serious trolling here.
Patrick, you appear to be a real asshole. Why do you get to post on here? It is a sad day in America when we can judge people, races, and cultures the way you and some of your readers posting on here just did. My head isn’t spinning at his sentence. He beat up an old man. That’s super shitty. I’m just shocked that you think it’s okay to beat up an entire race as a result.
Patrick, you appear to be a real asshole. Why do you get to post on here?
Well…if people who showed asshole-ish tendencies couldn’t post here, we’d lose a significant portion of our active posters.
Hey all you nice people – post more!
Hey all you nice people – post more!
Hell no!
Sorry, I only post when a) I’m stumped, or b) I think my co-bloggers are having trouble sleeping.
My good MI,
Our good Turmarion regularly (if vicariously) in these precincts summons the vision of “class warfare” as fate or solution to what he views as unjust economic inequalities in the world. Here he raises the question “Then again, what’s wrong with a little class warfare if it makes a more just world?”
While the jury is still out, at least in my mind, whether these vicarious flights into “class warfare” merely serve the same needs and interests for Turmarion as comic books and super heroes do for our good Lance or whether they represent something else, as someone who has yourself not too long ago been engaged on the ground in Iraq in full combat uniform perhaps you can provide us a more objective accounting of what real warfare holds for those involved in it, who tends to gain from it, who tends to lose, and whether, in your opinion, the process of warfare, in your experience of it, tends to make a more just world.
H. M. Stuart
Alexandria
I’ve occasionally considered writing about my Iraq experiences. One reason I’ve avoided doing so (thus far) is that I was never in combat, and I don’t consider my time there particularly noteworthy. Maybe one of these days.
Patrick gets to post on here because he sends at least one column every 30 days, and doesn’t get on HM Stuart’s wrong side. Ask him about writing, and he will probably give it a shot.
“Just another shining example of how the black community is raising their children.” (Patrick)
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It’s generally a poor idea to racialize any given topic. It inevitably leads to a counter-productive “us versus them” atmosphere which inevitably has corrosive effects on all involved.
America’s mainstream media has traditionally put a black (urban) face on American poverty, even though over 70% (actually 72%) of the poor in America are white.
The same is largely true of crime despite some rather startling ethnic crime data, such as black males commit at least 4X as many”hate crimes” as any other group,” violent crime rates are, substantially higher among black males than any other group.
That is almost certainly NOT due to any defect in the “black community” that doesn’t exist in others. It IS almost certainly due to well-intentioned welfare programs that chased the male out disproportionately more black homes.
Read some of Walter E Williams and Thomas Sowell’s accounts of their earlier lives, of how stable the black community and the black family was before the advent of modern “dependency programs.”
The problem is NOT with the black community, it is with well-intentioned, but dysfunctional governmental intervention in that community.
Decades ago, Bill Shockley (the inventor of the transistor) warned that these dependency programs were wreaking havoc on the black community and that if left unchecked, that government-inspired dysfunction would eventually extend to all other communities.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan echoed many of Shockley’s warnings and BOTH men were excoriated for their troubles.